my family and i just got home from our summer road trip.
we drove 6815 km from our home in alberta down the western coast of the us to disneyland, then back home through utah (mormon country), idaho and montana.
great trip!!!!
BG, the JWs were in the visitor's centre at the base of the hill, not on the actual grounds. The table was set up right beside the booth where they sell you the photos they have to take for security purposes, and right beside the hallway to the washroom (high traffic zone).
Thanks for the e-mail address, Crystal. I think I will drop them a line.
my family and i just got home from our summer road trip.
we drove 6815 km from our home in alberta down the western coast of the us to disneyland, then back home through utah (mormon country), idaho and montana.
great trip!!!!
Ruby, I hope you can do something so that they will have to leave. I believe we were there on the 15 of August if that is any help.
Larry, it was a great trip. We have a Honda Odyssey van, so we travelled in comfort even in the heat of the Mohave Desert. No car problems at all. We did the trip in 2 weeks as that was all the time we had, but an extra week would have meant some wonderful flex time to actually get out of the car and look around more. We missed so many lovely places I would have loved to explore. We had the whole trip pre planned and motels booked, which was good as many of them were full and without reservations we couldn't have got in. I wished we had more information books about the areas we passed through , and I should have found at least a Fodor's California or something to bring along. My kids are teenagers, (18 and 14) and we all get along really well plus we had 3 drivers which made a huge difference. Bring lots of CDs as there is lousy reception in all the mountain areas, and lots of different kinds of music. Burned mixed CDs are super. We got a CD version of a novel from the library which was interesting, but only good for long easy driving stretches as you had to concentrate. A less involved book, even a kid's book like Harry Potter may have been a better choice. We stayed in moderately priced motels which included a continental breakfast, and found that so much easier . We bit the bullet and got a separate room for the kids, which got expensive, but we only can handle so much togetherness, and 2 bathrooms are a real bonus. We had a small cooler for pop and some lunch stuff, but found that there wasn't always a fridge in the room and finding a grocery store in a strange city can be surprisingly difficult, so we didn't picnic as much as we thought we would. Ahhhhhhh, let me think, oh yeah, a blanket and pillows for the backseat nappers. Whoever sits shotgun in the front has to stay awake and change CDs and pass assorted goodies to the driver. I guess my main recommendation would be to come to Canada, where your American dollar will buy you almost 1 1/2 Canadian dollars. My husband and I will need a stiff drink before we open our next VISA bill.
i am the mother of a 25yr.
old daughter...she has broken off her engagement to her young man..after discovering that they have a few differences in beliefs...she is sick at heart and so am i..after a year of dating they got engaged...then a year later..she dicovers he is an inactive jw...they lived together...and she has a two year old baby..he is not the father...but he is a wonderful man..and really was very good to her and my grandson...my grandson calls him daddy...well the issures started popping up...all of the sudden...he is a jw...and he doesnt celebrate...anything...not so much said..as he doesnt show for the festivities...sort of passive restance...long story short..they started discussing..issures..and my daughter freaks over the not accepting transfusions...her precious baby...not save his life!!
!...she is not a staunch christian...but she has absorbed beleifs having been raised in my church...now she is laying here with tears...and trying to figure out how they can make this work....he says that she can raise the baby in her beilfs...and they could just each beleive what they beleive...she is in that same mode..her heart hurts..and she wants to figure out a way that all this will work...she keeps asking me...she is twenty-five...i am her monther...i am heartsick...i want my daughters happiness...for the long haul...we discussed about the words warning of being unevenly yoked...i was hoping prehaps she could get some of your experinces....and your insight....thank you....
Waido,
I agree 100% with what Gary Buss so elequently said. The believing walkaways are pulled between 2 worlds and happy in neither.
my family and i just got home from our summer road trip.
we drove 6815 km from our home in alberta down the western coast of the us to disneyland, then back home through utah (mormon country), idaho and montana.
great trip!!!!
My family and I just got home from our summer road trip. We drove 6815 km from our home in Alberta down the western coast of the US to Disneyland, then back home through Utah (Mormon country), Idaho and Montana. Great trip!!!! (except for the exchange rate)
I had a major surprise as we entered Heast Castle in California for our tour. My husband has gone in earlier and asked why there would be a bible table there, was Randolf Hearst religious??????????? He wasn't, by the way. There was a table right next to the photo pickup booth with a conservatively dressed couple sitting behind it, and the usual JW propaganda on the table in front of them. I noticed that they didn't approach anyone, but waited for people to come to them. They were there for several hours at least. I didn't go near them, as my kids would have died of embarrassment.
Why would the California parks Service allow a religious group to promote itself like that in a State Park at such a tourist attraction? I thought that it was quite inappropriate.
Edited by - concerned mama on 25 August 2002 16:46:37
i am the mother of a 25yr.
old daughter...she has broken off her engagement to her young man..after discovering that they have a few differences in beliefs...she is sick at heart and so am i..after a year of dating they got engaged...then a year later..she dicovers he is an inactive jw...they lived together...and she has a two year old baby..he is not the father...but he is a wonderful man..and really was very good to her and my grandson...my grandson calls him daddy...well the issures started popping up...all of the sudden...he is a jw...and he doesnt celebrate...anything...not so much said..as he doesnt show for the festivities...sort of passive restance...long story short..they started discussing..issures..and my daughter freaks over the not accepting transfusions...her precious baby...not save his life!!
!...she is not a staunch christian...but she has absorbed beleifs having been raised in my church...now she is laying here with tears...and trying to figure out how they can make this work....he says that she can raise the baby in her beilfs...and they could just each beleive what they beleive...she is in that same mode..her heart hurts..and she wants to figure out a way that all this will work...she keeps asking me...she is twenty-five...i am her monther...i am heartsick...i want my daughters happiness...for the long haul...we discussed about the words warning of being unevenly yoked...i was hoping prehaps she could get some of your experinces....and your insight....thank you....
Hi Waido,
Welcome to the board. The posters here can give you lots of good information, but I don't think it will solve your problem. It isn't easily solveable.
As mentioned, my teenage daugher has had a JW boyfriend for 2 years. They are much younger and have a much younger more "innocent" relationship, but the same problems exist. No matter what the age is, there is major differences in culture. Even if he is inactive, the JW beliefs are usually firmly imbedded into his mind. Unless he does research into JW and decides he no longer believes it, their relationship will not work on a long term basis. Even if he has drifted away, he still is JW in the way he thinks. It would take a conscious decision and great courage on his part to open his mind and investigate his religion.
I am fond of my daughter's boyfriend, and he is a sweet boy who treats her well, but as special as he is, he is still JW. Even if your daughter's partner is a great guy, at a certain point the differences will be extremely destructive, and can only lead to heartache.
I have read about it here for months, and I see it watching my daughter and her boyfriend. My heart just bleeds for you and your daughter and that confused young man she loves. But...it's likely not going to work. Please feel free to e-mail me and we can talk.
confused mama
Edited by - concerned mama on 25 August 2002 16:52:9
[to randy],.
have i updated you recently about my daughter.
her mother took her and my.
Thanks for passing that along, Randy. That poor man. I suppose the wheels of justice grind slowly, and it will take time to locate his daughters. I wish the press here publicized this more. I find out much more on this message board than from the local papers
Hi Billygoat,
Nice to hear from you and I hope it is wonderful things keeping your life busy. Yes, my daughter and JW her boyfriend are still tight as ever, although as they have both been very busy this summer they haven't seen much of each other...but then there is always the computer or telephone He has taken to riding his bike over sometimes, and they just hang out, or play basketball, walk over to nearest convenience store for a Slurpee, or just sit around a talk. Pretty innocent stuff, and I would feel horrible shunning him or forbidding him our house just because he is JW. They will go to separate high schools next year ( starting grade 10), and I really hope that it loosens the tight bonds that hold them together. I try very hard not to fuss, but when I see their tight emotional connection, it is very obvious that it is not at all a casual relationship, despite their young age. I am actually very fond of the young man, but I will be so relieved when they go their separate ways.
Sorry for highjacking your thread, brown eyes, but now you see why I have questions for you.
concerned mama
Edited by - concerned mama on 9 August 2002 11:55:31
Welcome Brown Eyes,
My daughter is in a similar, although younger situation. I have lots of questions, so I will e mail you.
concerned mama
some of you may remember me from the old h20 board.
at that time i was posting because a very close friend of my family was seriously dating a jw and i had questions.
well, my friend and the jw were married early this year and i still have questions.. the wedding had well over 200 guests in attendance and i knew most of them, meaning there were extremely few jws.
As a non-JW myself, I certainly understand your concerns and confusion. There was a recent thread on defensiveness that may add to the information the others here can give you.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=33949&site=3
Thr JW mindset is certainly baffling.
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hey everyone,.
i have never been a jehovah's witness, but i've dated someone who is and i have a few clients who are.. my comment and question is this, i've noticed that witnesses who aren't even active get very defensive when asked a question or a comment is made about the religion.. did any of you find yourself before you left getting this way when people asked you about the religion.. restorebeauty.
Thanks for passing that along, Dan. The article does explain the thinking process. I still want to pound my head on the wall when I am having a discussion of that type, but at least I know why now.
I think I will have to learn to keep my mouth shut, as I expect way too much critical thinking, way too soon.
Edited by - concerned mama on 7 August 2002 22:3:11
